Perspective: Confederate flag more disrespectful than kneeling

I’ve heard much talk lately about respect for our national anthem and the American flag.

If we genuinely care about respect for the American flag, shouldn’t we try to convince our fellow citizens to stop flying the Confederate flag?

Thankfully, the men who fought for the Confederate flag were losers, and they remain losers. They lost the war, but they managed to kill 700,000 Americans in the process. Their toxic ideas no longer have actual power – luckily for us, their ideas have been relegated to Facebook posts riddled with misspellings and racial slurs.

There are currently fewer than 1,700 active players on NFL rosters each week. If we as a country are truly concerned with respect for the American flag, let’s focus our attention on the much larger number of people who continue to display the flag of the Confederacy – a flag that was flown by soldiers who killed members of the military of the United States of America.

Mike Mundy
Ferdinand, Ind.

18 Responses to Perspective: Confederate flag more disrespectful than kneeling

  1. Tom M September 26, 2017 at 8:27 am #

    You are the real loser as you haven’t a clue about the confederate battle flag. The Reb flag was not a symbol but a rallying point for they’re soldiers to find they’re way back to they’re side. At teh beginning of the war both sides flags looked similar therefore the south came up with the Stars & Bars. The war was actually fought more over the Souths being told by the US Government how to handle they’re own states business which the south took offense to. Slavery was a small part of the overall war. Please do yourself a favor and read history on the civil war. This flag never hurt anyone its inanimate. Now I say this because my ancestors fought on both sides. I however enlisted in the United States Army and served 20 years for my God and Country. We should never ever wipe out our past history. History is a reminder to hopefully not repeat our failures over and over again. People today like the NFL are doing basically the same thing by protesting something they don’t like. I strongly disapprove of the take a knee mentally. Kneeling while our National Anthem is being played is not only disrespectful but anti-American. Finally for them who chose to disrespect our nation I say to you Cuba is not that far of a boat ride. Please feel free to go check out how the commies live. I think you will gain a whole new respective on the United States of America. “God Bless the United States of America.”

    • Za'Darius Johnson September 26, 2017 at 9:33 am #

      Tom,
      As a young black man, I appreciate the idea of convincing Americans to stop flying the confederate flag. The civil war was about slavery. The South saying it was about “state’s rights” is the kind of excuse a little kid would make to fool his parents. I believe you are the one who is not educated. How do I know?

      You used “they’re” incorrectly 3 times in your 2nd sentence. You lost all credibility after your second sentence. thanks

      Za’Darius Johnson

    • Jamie Eckert September 26, 2017 at 9:36 am #

      Good morning Tom M.
      I see you are one of those that would love to white wash history to fit your narrative, but there are things called facts that cannot be white washed. If you want to continue believing that slavery was just a small part, you have that right, but it doesn’t make it true. If you are trying to equate the civil war with peaceful demonstration of kneeling during the anthem, i feel sorry for you. If you would like to read a small passage from South Carolina’s secession letter, I have it pasted below. If you do decide to read the full letter, you will find there are many more references to slavery and their right to own people. I am not a believer, but I have been around religion long enough to know that if what you believe is really true, you are in for a big surprise someday.

      “We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.”

      Have a nice day Tom. Don’t forget to pray!

    • Dottie September 26, 2017 at 12:08 pm #

      Respect for the flag?! Ha! There a tiny American flag pinned to a huge sack of garbage in the Oval Office. That’s desecration of the American Flag.

    • joehatescoffee September 26, 2017 at 1:10 pm #

      Here are the letters that declared the causes of secession by the very states that seceded. https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

  2. Mike September 26, 2017 at 10:06 am #

    Excellent response, Tom.
    Too much of our country’s history is being erased by ignorant people. Statues of Confederate leaders are coming down because they are perceived as “symbols of hate” rather than being left in place as admonition against letting hatred run unchecked. Colleges are removing Jefferson, Madison, Wilson, and others’ names from buildings and institutes because a human failing – albeit misguided or egregious – is perceived as overshadowing the good works done by these leaders. Interestingly, those same institutions fail to acknowledge that those same leaders established rules of law that allowed for the country to change as knowledge expanded. Had that not been the case, for example, slavery or other behavior might have been permanently codified.
    I saw a truly class act last evening before the Dallas – Arizona football game. The Cowboys organization locked arms at mid field and knelt BEFORE the National Anthem as a show of unity and stood before the anthem played as a show of respect. The Cardinals all locked arms as well and remained standing. I can only hope other “professional” athletes take note of their action – as well as those of former Army Ranger Alejandro Villanueva – rather than childish, pointless actions of others who mindlessly follow the crowd.

    • Jamie Eckert September 26, 2017 at 6:27 pm #

      Mike,
      I love the argument that we need to keep the statues up so we don’t forget about history. That is so inane. That is why we have history books. If someone didn’t know anything about the civil war, do you think he will look at a statue of Robert E. Lee and think “I now understand what the war was about”? No, he would pick up a textbook and read. Many people of the south still hold these generals in reverence. That is misguided, as these people were traitors. If you go over to Germany, do you see statues of Hitler on capitol grounds? Maybe they have statues of Joseph Goebbels. Now that was someone to admire. So if you think that statues need to be erected to remember the atrocities of the silver war, then maybe we should have statues of black slaves working in the field next to Robert E. Lee. or perhaps a huge monument of Andrew Jackson driving 20,000 Cherokee men, women, & children at gunpoint westward. If you want to have statues, then give all the facts.

      • Mike September 27, 2017 at 8:27 am #

        Jamie,
        You are correct in that you don’t find statues to Hitler or Goebbels, nor should you. In fact, those that did exist were torn down – appropriately – immediately after the war. But if you travel to Poland, you will find that Auschwitz still exists. Jews, Poles, gypsies, and others who were sent to death camps like these consistently oppose any movement to tear them down. They want the world to remember the Holocaust and consequences of hatred and bias.
        Your contention that history books are all that is required to help us remember, I recommend you reread the chapters regarding the War Between the States. (It’s the Civil War, not the “Silver” War.) I agree that people like Lee and Jackson had their failures, but I suggest you actually read about the careers these gentlemen lead. Did you know that President Lincoln so admired Lee’s leadership that he offered Lee command of the Union Army after the battle of Ft Sumter? No? Not surprising. Few US History textbooks contain that tidbit because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Did they have flaws? Sure. My point is that history books alone focus on the flaw, magnify it to the point it obscures any positive achievements. (Again, I refer you to my previous post and Thomas Jefferson.)

        • joehatescoffee September 27, 2017 at 9:41 am #

          Mike, your comments confuse me.

          You commend Germany for removing nazi statues “appropriately – immediately after the war.”

          But you are wanting to preserve confederate statues, most of which erected at least 40 years after the war (http://bit.ly/2xBspmD) and had dedications that included white supremacists and former confederate soldiers.

          A majority of these were not statues that were “left in place” to admonish the south. They didn’t exist to be left in place. They were erected during historical events that expanded equal rights. Specifically, erected in opposition to expand equal rights.

          I actually like that Auschwitz is still there, but lets not misunderstand why it is still there. It was in a state of disrepair for years. Its existence an actual admonishment to Germany. Moreover, the victims and their ancestor have opined to leave it then preserve it. Now it is a museum that puts the holocaust in its proper context.

          The polar opposite of what our statues are representing. Again, most our confederate statues stand without context, erected after defeat, and during times to oppose equals rights expansion. None of this sounds like what Auschwitz is accomplishing.

          Now, if you want to advocate preserving a coastal trading station from the pre-bellum south along side a slave trade museum. Then lets do it.

  3. Tom E September 26, 2017 at 3:46 pm #

    As is usually the case individuals can read the same story and have totally different interpretations no matter how exact or succinct the author may be. I do find it interesting that those who believe that the civil war was just about slavery never mention that there were slave states in the union, why, because (my opinion) it does not fit the agenda. I can fully understand why the black (hope that is the correct vernacular, do not wish to offend) community are offended by the confederate flag because (my opinion) that is what they are taught from a very early age and are being told daily that they should be offended due it being a symbol of racism and also because some very unsavory groups have adopted the stars & bars. I can tell you from personal experience that not all who fly the stars and bars are racist just as all who enjoy cartoons are children.
    Personally I don’t care either way about Confederate flag (after all it’s just a flag/symbol) but to compare that to kneeling during the National Anthem, as we pay reverence to our military and all those who have made this country great, also a time we should be giving thanks to God (or one’s personal preference) that we live in the United States along with all the freedom’s we enjoy, REALLY!

    The list:
    GOD
    Country
    Family
    Friends
    Job

    See whats at the top of the list, when you kneel you are putting you own personal issues before the first 2 on the list, know what you don’t see on the list, feel bad (negative) because of a flag/symbol someone else feels the need to fly/wear without even knowing why (with out a doubt) they choose to do so. In my opinion a person can go through life looking for things to feel good about (see the list) or a person can waste time & energy looking for things that anger them. No matter what anyone says it is a choice. Even when there are nothing but dark clouds on the horizon if you look hard enough you can find a silver lining. I personally have more important positive things in my life to spend my time and energy on.
    One last thought, when commenting on this site please try to remember that we do not live in L.A, or New York and this is not Yahoo or google, we are neighbors and if nothing else we should at least be able to agree to disagree but still find value in each others feelings and opinions.

    Name calling/insults, please, can’t we do better.

  4. James September 26, 2017 at 6:40 pm #

    Look..we have homeless vets we have starving children in this country why the heck are we putting any effort to these matters?????WHO CARES.!!!!!!!! Stupid…..

    • Scott September 27, 2017 at 10:04 am #

      You could ask the president the same question as well… He is perpetuating this too.

      • TOM E September 28, 2017 at 7:33 am #

        Totally agree Scott, I just wish someone would hide his phone. Nothing good ever comes from from a discussion when everyone is talking and no one is listening.
        I would also like to thank all who have contributed to this conversation as I am now more informed than was a few days ago.

  5. dan barrett September 26, 2017 at 10:51 pm #

    Good ole Confederates…still going strong in1865, 1919 and 2017. These racists honor the Confederate Battle Flag and make statues to Rebel Generals. (They lost and are still sore about it. These white Trump supporters, Nazi and KKK, want to make American white, sorry “great” again). The riot in Elaine, Arkansas was also one of the deadliest. Though exact numbers are unknown, it is estimated over 200 African Americans were killed during the white hysteria of a pending insurrection of black sharecroppers. Also known as the “Elain Massacre,” the violence, terror, and concerted effort to drive out blacks were very jarring. The old south can have their history and statues in museums, but not on public owned or controlled land. And don’t forget “Jews will not replace us” chants along with “blut and boden” is like a marriage between Nazi’s, KKK along with extremist white evangelicals to form the Anti-black, Anti-Jew wing of the Trump foundation

    • Scott Newton September 27, 2017 at 6:33 pm #

      Ditto again, Dan.

  6. jamesronniegreen September 27, 2017 at 7:04 pm #

    I find it hard and incredible to believe that anti-Confederates still believe that the Our Flag of Dixie represents slavery when it actually does no, as we Appalachian Mountain folk say, “sich a thang”.
    First of all, the a few of the Confederate states did secede to keep slavery, and the Confederate Constitution did allow it, but the Confederate slave owners REJECTED it as their national emblem. And it was the regimental flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which was commanded by General Robert Edward Lee–WHO OPPOSED SLAVERY. Now. given that, how is Our Flag of Southern Freedom a “flag of oppression, white supremacy, and slaver’> Especially since AFRICAN-AMERICAN NEO-CONFEDERATES also support it?

    • joehatescoffee September 28, 2017 at 1:12 pm #

      Robert E Lee’s opinion was rather nuanced. While he was not fond of slavery, he strongly felt being a slave was better than living in Africa.

      The letter to his wife that is often quoted for demonstrating his opposition to slavery as a moral evil also included, “The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.” http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/making-sense-of-robert-e-lee-85017563/

      Lee also opined that civil war monuments were a bad idea.

      As for the confederate flag… while it was the battle flag of Virginia, it was relatively unknown until it was flown in the 1960s in opposition to desegregation. This is also why many would prefer it put to rest. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/22/eugene-robinson/confederate-flag-wasnt-flown-south-carolina-state-/

      For a comparable moment in history, refer to the Bellamy salute. Americans use to salute the flag in a manner not unsimilar to the nazi salute. Needless to say, we changed it because of the similarities.

  7. Dottie October 3, 2017 at 9:00 pm #

    Ok. People calling each other losers, boat loads of sarcasm. Bye. Have fun.